

Canada can deal."How should communities protect themselves from extremist groups booking public spaces under false pretences while respecting civil liberties? Where should that balance be drawn?" cbc #563
Inciting to riot may be speech, but it is not protected by 1A. Neither is betraying State secrets, or libel, or perjury, or ..."No right is absolute. Conversely, no government authority is absolute." lawyer, law Professor and former ACLU head Nadine Strossen

?"Data centres would pay for electricity" S2 #565
Canada can deal.
In the U.S. we have The Bill of Rights which includes our First Amendment right to free speech. BUT !
Popular speech, "I love you Mommy!" doesn't need much protection.
It's unpopular speech which our First Amendment most prominently protects.
Our Skokie precedent provides insight into this. https://www.aclu.org/news/free-spee...-to-represent-the-free-speech-rights-of-nazis
Inciting to riot may be speech, but it is not protected by 1A. Neither is betraying State secrets, or libel, or perjury, or ...
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On Thursday, Doug Ford stood behind a podium reading “PROTECT ONTARIO” as he unveiled his government’s new framework for approving data centres. But with communities already calling for a pause, Ontarians might reasonably ask: who and what are we protecting?
CBC News reports the province says new data centres will pay the full cost of their electricity, receive no cash incentives and that projects using closed-loop cooling systems will be prioritized. Ford says the expansion will help keep Canadian data in Canada, while the province projects its AI strategy could generate $122 billion in economic growth by 2035 and 17,000 jobs annually.
But there are serious environmental and infrastructure questions that haven't gone away. Data centres can consume enormous amounts of electricity, require significant land and, depending on their cooling systems, put additional pressure on water resources. There are also broader questions about how rapidly expanding electricity demand will affect Ontario's grid and the province's climate commitments.
And some communities would rather understand those consequences before the building boom begins.
Oakville voted this week for a one-year moratorium. Mississauga is considering one. More than 5,000 Toronto residents have signed petitions raising concerns, while Ontario Green Leader Mike Schreiner is calling for a provincewide pause until stronger protections are established.
Schreiner also points to an important distinction in Ford's announcement: the government says it will prioritize closed-loop cooling systems rather than require them.
Ford dismissed some municipal resistance, saying it “doesn't add up” to oppose data centres when communities rely on computers, social media and AI.
But using technology doesn't mean communities have to accept every proposed data centre without first understanding its environmental footprint.
A moratorium could give Ontario time to independently assess the cumulative impacts on water, energy, land and emissions, and establish enforceable standards before approving more projects. That's not inherently anti-technology. It's asking government to know what we're getting into before committing communities to it.
So seeing “PROTECT ONTARIO” on Ford's podium raises a fair question about what that slogan means in practice.
If protecting Ontario's communities and environment ever conflicts with billions of dollars in investment, do Ontarians trust Doug Ford's government to put the public interest first? (Shift's comment - no!)
Or is “Protect Ontario” ultimately more about the money?
CBC's reporting gives Ontarians the information to start asking those questions before these decisions become irreversible.
What do you think? Should Ontario pause new data-centre approvals while their environmental and community impacts are independently assessed?
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Don't they anyway?
They may pay for both electric, & perhaps water too.
The problem is their disproportionate consumption drives the cost up for the others drawing from the same source.
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a) Indeed."Statistics Canada numbers show Canadians becoming less accepting of gender diversity." meme #571
"This is a troubling shift, and one worth paying attention to." S2 #571
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Canadian beef, raised here at home, travelling a fraction of the distance, yet Australians can ship theirs halfway around the planet and still sell it to Canadians for dramatically less. That's bound to raise some eyebrows at the grocery store.
CBC Saskatchewan found Canadian rib steaks selling at $70.52/kg at a Loblaws store, nearly twice the price of Australian rib steaks.
So how does that happen?
The Canadian Cattle Association points to several factors. Australia has a different, largely grass-based production system, its beef production has increased while North American cattle supplies have tightened, and retailers can use cheaper imported meat as a “loss leader” to attract shoppers.
Trade policy plays a role too. Since 2018, the CPTPP trade agreement has given Australian beef greater access to Canada, while also giving Canadian producers better access to markets including Japan and Vietnam.
Canadian cattle producers aren't necessarily sounding the alarm. Association president Tyler Fulton says imports can fill temporary gaps in domestic supply, while Canadian beef generally commands a premium because of characteristics such as marbling.
But consumers are confronting a much simpler reality: price.
One Saskatchewan shopper told CBC that beef has become such a luxury that, aside from ground beef, she hasn't eaten it since 2024. Another said he'd rather buy Canadian and local, but acknowledged that affordability increasingly dictates people's choices.
That tension is worth talking about. Supporting Canadian farmers sounds straightforward until families standing in a grocery aisle are being asked to pay substantially more to do it.
It's also the kind of everyday economic story public broadcasting is particularly good at telling. CBC Saskatchewan didn't just report that food is expensive. It went into the grocery stores, compared prices, talked to producers and shoppers, and asked why Canadians are seeing something seemingly counterintuitive on the shelf.
If Australian beef can travel thousands of kilometres and still substantially undercut Canadian beef, what does that tell us about our domestic food system?
Should Canadian-produced food be more affordable for Canadians? How much extra are you willing or able to pay to buy Canadian? And have high grocery prices changed what your family eats?
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"Beef is so high in the US, I switched entirely to pork, chicken, or fish." R5 #577