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sear said:

"I haven not studied this. But ..." s #539

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Shiftless2 said:

"That says it all ....." S2 #540

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That's not a refutation of fact. It's contempt, dismissal of process.
I understand an mRNA flu vaccine CAN differ on molecular level from the legacy variety.
Must it absolutely do so? That the conventionally manufactured molecule can't be manufactured with mRNA, indistinguishable by its process of manufacture?
If no, what's the difference?

Shiftless2 said:

"BTW, you do realize that headline writers aren't always the authors of the article in question. " S2 #540

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Correct.
Pappy told me that at the kitchen table. The conversation was related to a headline he mentioned: Sticks Nix Hick Pix.

Shiftless2 said:

"I've lost track of the number of seminars I've attended where next day's newspaper article isn't exactly an accurate discussion of what the speakers said but the headline is even worse." S2 #540

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Formal education / academe well recognized as our culture's traditional path to mastery.
It is not the only path.

If mRNA technology can not produce the same vaccine molecule previous vaccine manufacture technology produced, why not?

The obvious reason for asking:
if the vaccine molecule is indistinguishable, then citing legacy style produced vaccine as safe & effective, but mRNA as not, on what basis not?

Shiftless2 said:

But you're determined to keep making claims like this - if you're going to do that you're going to have to tell us your professional qualifications in the area including where you obtained your multiple PhD's in the relevant fields.

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Wrong.
Anyone can understand how vaccines are supposed to work, and that mRNA is nothing at all even remotely similar to a vaccine.

And I do have health care credentials, having worked on programming pacemakers at Biotroniks.

It should also be obvious that since immunities require information to be chemically appended to bone marrow T-cells, that you can't achieve more than 1 immunity at a time.

This is all extremely obvious.

sear said:

- OR -
The two obvious criteria for such observations are:
a) Authority, as S2 #538 suggests. OR
b) Validity.

I haven not studied this. But from what little I have gleaned from headlines over the decades I'm left with the impression the product, the actual vaccine is not intrinsically defined by how it's manufactured. Right?
That a vaccine manufactured via mRNA technology can be just as safe & effective as a vaccine produced by previous, more established technologies. Right?

It's not that mRNA differentiates the molecular structure of the vaccine from more conventional vaccines.
Instead mRNA vaccine manufacture speeds up the process.

"The COVID vaccine I would very safely estimate would be seen as one of the greatest scientific achievements of humanity ever." ...
"The estimates are from the Kaiser Family Foundation that between July of '21 and April of '22 when vaccines were available and free to everybody 234,000 Americans died unnecessarily because of misinformation. The culture wars killed a lot of people." former NIH director, author of The Road To Wisdom, Dr. Francis S.Collins 24/09/17

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I think you misunderstand what mRNA is.
A vaccine is essentially a dead pathogen, which the immune system then recognizes and adds to its chemically stored list of pathogens.

But mRNA is nothing like a vaccine or dead pathogen.
It is only a means of reprogramming the ribosomes of our own cells.
Ribosomes are organelles in each cell, that can produce things like proteins.
But proteins are not pathogens and whatever mRNA can cause ribosomes to produce, can never activate the immune system memory of pathogens.

Since corona viruses have spike proteins, the vague belief some people have is that by causing our own cells to grow spike proteins, that will prepare our immune system to recognize and attack anything with spike proteins.
But that has to be false, since the whole reason spike proteins exist is so our own exosomes can use them to open the ACE2 receptors in our cells.
So if mRNA worked as claimed, then we would all be dead by now since our own immune system would trigger on all spike proteins, including the ones on our own exosomes.

sear said:

That's not a refutation of fact. It's contempt, dismissal of process.
I understand an mRNA flu vaccine CAN differ on molecular level from the legacy variety.
Must it absolutely do so? That the conventionally manufactured molecule can't be manufactured with mRNA, indistinguishable by its process of manufacture?
If no, what's the difference?


Correct.
Pappy told me that at the kitchen table. The conversation was related to a headline he mentioned: Sticks Nix Hick Pix.


Formal education / academe well recognized as our culture's traditional path to mastery.
It is not the only path.

If mRNA technology can not produce the same vaccine molecule previous vaccine manufacture technology produced, why not?

The obvious reason for asking:
if the vaccine molecule is indistinguishable, then citing legacy style produced vaccine as safe & effective, but mRNA as not, on what basis not?

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You miss the point.
We have no idea how or what the immune system uses, detects, triggers on, or stores.
So no vaccine can ever be artificially manufactured.
Vaccines are not molecules, but whole complex organism of millions of molecules.
Vaccines are not chemistry, but organics.

All real vaccines allow pathogens to reproduce themselves in lab vats.
Its much like brewing yeast.
No real vaccine has ever been artificially manufactured, and likely never will be.
The only artificial part of the vaccine process is to kill the pathogen so that it does not start multiplying in those vaccinated.

The utter failure of the mRNA is also obvious.
The infection rate of covid greatly increased after the mRNA vaccine was released in 2020.
While people only got covid once before that mRNA vaccine, after people took the mRNA vaccine, they got covid over and over, as many as 5 times.

As for mRNA reducing the death rate, that was only for 2 months.
And that was because the mRNA caused our own cells to appear like mutations by starting to grow spike proteins.
That caused high immune system activation in order to kill all of our cells that started to grow spike proteins.
But that was just an accidental side effect, and there are much better ways of increasing the immune system level of support, without causing our own cells to be attacked.